Plain
Seneca — The Senator

Why would you try to combine two things that are completely different and oppose each other? Virtue stands tall — it's noble, royal, unbeatable, and never tires. Pleasure crawls low. It's weak, slavish, and dies quickly. You'll find pleasure hiding in brothels and bars. But you'll find virtue in temples, markets, and the senate. Virtue stands guard on city walls, covered in dust, tanned by the sun, with calloused hands from hard work. Pleasure hides in the shadows. It sneaks around bathhouses, hot rooms, and places that fear the police. Pleasure is soft and weak, reeking of wine and perfume, pale or painted with makeup.

On the Happy Life, Section 7 23 of 101
Doing The Right Thing What Matters Most
Seneca — The Senator Original

Why do you put together two things which are unlike and even incompatible one with another? virtue is a lofty quality, sublime, royal, unconquerable, untiring: pleasure is low, slavish, weakly, perishable; its haunts and homes are the brothel and the tavern. You will meet virtue in the temple, the market-place, the senate house, manning the walls, covered with dust, sunburnt, horny-handed: you will find pleasure skulking out of sight, seeking for shady nooks at the public baths, hot chambers, and places which dread the visits of the aedile, soft, effeminate, reeking of wine and perfumes, pale or perhaps painted and made up with cosmetics.

On the Happy Life, Section 7 23 of 101
Seneca — The Senator

But if pleasure and virtue were truly inseparable, we wouldn't see what we actually see every day. Some things feel good but are wrong. Other things are deeply right but difficult and painful to achieve. Plus, pleasure shows up in the worst kinds of lives. Virtue cannot exist alongside evil. Yet some miserable people still have plenty of pleasure — in fact, pleasure is often what makes them miserable in the first place. This couldn't happen if pleasure and virtue were connected. Virtue often exists without pleasure and never needs it.

On the Happy Life, Section 7 22 of 101
Doing The Right Thing What Matters Most
Seneca — The Senator Original

Yet, if they were entirely inseparable, we should not see some things to be pleasant, but not honourable, and others most honourable indeed, but hard and only to be attained by suffering. Add to this, that pleasure visits the basest lives, but virtue cannot co-exist with an evil life; yet some unhappy people are not without pleasure, nay, it is owing to pleasure itself that they are unhappy; and this could not take place if pleasure had any connexion with virtue, whereas virtue is often without pleasure, and never stands in need of it.

On the Happy Life, Section 7 22 of 101
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