Plain
Epictetus — The Slave

This man barely agreed to change his mind. But some people today? You can't convince them at all. Now I understand that old saying: you can't persuade or break a fool. I hope I never have a "wise fool" for a friend. Nothing is harder to deal with. "I've made up my mind," he says. So do madmen. The more convinced they are about things that don't exist, the more medicine they need. Why won't you act like a sick person and call a doctor? "I'm sick, teacher, help me. Tell me what to do. I should listen to you." That's how it should be here too: "I don't know what I should do, but I came to learn." But no — "Talk to me about other things. On this topic, I've decided." What other things?

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Knowing Yourself Human Nature
Epictetus — The Slave Original

Now this man was with difficulty persuaded to change his mind. But it is impossible to convince some persons at present; so that I seem now to know what I did not know before, the meaning of the common saying, that you can neither persuade nor break a fool. May it never be my lot to have a wise fool for my friend; nothing is more untractable. "I am determined," the man says. Madmen are also, but the more firmly they form a judgment on things which do not exist, the more hellebore they require. Will you not act like a sick man and call in the physician?—I am sick, master, help me; consider what I must do: it is my duty to obey you. So it is here also: I know not what I ought to do, but I am come to learn.—Not so; but speak to me about other things: upon this I have determined.—What other things?

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Epictetus — The Slave

Won't you start by examining whether your decision makes sense? You need to build on a solid foundation. If you lay a rotten foundation, your building will collapse even faster when you pile materials on top. You're about to take away a friend and companion from us for no good reason — someone who belongs to our community, both the local one and the greater human community. You're committing murder. You're destroying an innocent person. And you say you should stick to your decisions? What if you decided to kill me? Should you stick to that decision too?

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Doing The Right Thing Human Nature
Epictetus — The Slave Original

Will you not make the beginning and lay the foundation in an inquiry whether the determination is sound or not sound, and so then build on it firmness and security? But if you lay a rotten and ruinous foundation, will not your miserable little building fall down the sooner, the more and the stronger are the materials which you shall lay on it? Without any reason would you withdraw from us out of life a man who is a friend and a companion, a citizen of the same city, both the great and the small city? Then while you are committing murder and destroying a man who has done no wrong, do you say that you ought to abide by your determinations? And if it ever in any way came into your head to kill me, ought you to abide by your determinations?"

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